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Bob Jensen

Hi Tom,

It would seem that Paragraph 30 of FAS 157 offers an alternative on this that allows departure adjustments for circumstances such as you describe. The firm seems to have more latitude in measuring fair value in unusual market conditions.

What do you think?

Tom Selling

Bob,
It doesn't seem that there is any wiggle room, because "the fair value measurement objective remains the same, that is, an exit price from the perspective of a market participant that holds the asset or owes the liability."

Based on press coverage of the illiquidity problem, it appears that 'practice' doesn't see room for another interpretation either.

charles

I don't agree with the implication that exit price equals zero if a market does not exist. My understanding of FAS157 is it allows a theoretical exit price when markets do not exist. For any asset or liability for which markets do not exist, it doesn't really matter whether you call it an exit price or replacement costs or entry price. The valuation needs to be a equi-probability stochastic projection of cash flows reflecting all the risks and discounted at risk free rates like the swap curve. That's all it is. Call it what you like. Of course the selection of assumptions (underlying probability distributions and calibtration of parameters to whatever market or historical data is judged to be relevent) is difficult and that is where the real focus should be, not the exit/entry name for it. Even when a market has some degree of liquidity this valuation approach is still appropriate and will demonstrate the premium the market is charging for the ability to transact. These premiums for the right to transact do not belong on the balance sheet. The problem with applying this valuation approach is the lack of trust investors will have in letting a firm decide the valuation assumptions itself. What is really needed is a dedicated professional status (like an independent auditor) for Level 3 asset and liability valuations. In the insurance industry we call these people actuaries.

Jeff Watson

I just listened to a conference call last week on SFAS 157 and the individual who led the discussion is a CPA/valuation expert and deeply involved in various AICPA committees. He was explaining that with a level three security you would need to create a market to value the security, assuming one doesn't exist. Under that approach, I don't see how anyone in their right mind would value the security down to zero. He was very clear you would still use an exit value concept, but you create a market - if one is needed.

Independent Accountant

I read the article in question and have my own post coming on it. As far as I'm concerned, Schwartzman is full of balogna. I keep reading about inappropriate applications of SFAS 157. I challenge Schwartman, Traficianti, McTeer et. al. to an "experiment". You'll see it in my posts to come. My conclusion based on all the special pleading going on: the BANKS ARE IN MUCH WORSE SHAPE THAN ANYONE LET'S ON. Fred Cederholm is right. The mortgage related losses will exceed a trillion dollars.

fred vernon

Agree with Charles and Jeff that FAS 157 doesn't call for a zero valuation for assets for which there is no active market. Rather, reporting entities are required to look first to trading in similar assets to come up with a value, and second to delve into Level III mark to model valuations, which would include various market inputs (say, the ABX index for certain untraded CDS contracts).

Also agree with Independent Accountant in that Schwarzmann is full of baloney. If you look at an early version of Blackstone's S-1 from last year, they early adopted FAS 159 - the fair value option - and applied it to future carried interests the firm expected to earn on their managed PE funds. Obviously this was an aggressive use of 159 (PV'ing expected future earnings and putting on the balance sheet as an asset), and Blackstone decided against it in their final S-1 before the IPO.

Its unclear what made them relent on this issue, but what seems apparent is that Schwarzmann was willing to take full advantage of fair value accounting when it benefited his balance sheet, but once things turned sour historical cost is all of a sudden preferable.

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